Below is the live text chat that took place during the opening conversation of DPL 2021.
10:05:53 From Jim Stauffer : Yaaayyy!
10:06:00 From Jacinta Yanders : Hello!
10:06:05 From Liz Ahl : Hello! :-)
10:06:05 From Mia Zamora To All Panelists : Hi everyone! :)
10:06:05 From Julie Mason To All Panelists : Hello!
10:06:09 From Charles Logan : Hi, everybody!
10:06:09 From joan bihun To All Panelists : Hi all!
10:06:12 From Dustin Hosseini : Hello!
10:06:13 From Sabina Sariyska : 🥳👏
10:06:15 From Steve Ferruci To All Panelists : Hello!
10:06:15 From Alice Paige : Hi all!
10:06:18 From Brianne Collins : Hi!
10:06:18 From Martina Porter To All Panelists : Hello Everyone!
10:06:18 From Chad Flinn To All Panelists : Hi everyone
10:06:21 From Jakob Gowell To All Panelists : Hello
10:06:24 From Kendra Rivera To All Panelists : Greetings!
10:06:26 From Jesse Stommel To All Panelists : Hello everyone!
10:06:32 From Heather Ruddy : Hello everyone! :)
10:06:36 From Jesse Stommel : Hello!
10:06:37 From Allison Fitzgibbon To All Panelists : Hello everyone
10:06:37 From Ceradwen Tokheim : Hello everyone!
10:06:37 From Julie Fellmayer To All Panelists : Hello from Brussels, Belgium!
10:06:39 From Minea Armijo To All Panelists : Good morning everyone!
10:06:41 From Molly Hatcher To All Panelists : 👋
10:06:42 From Rebecca Aronson : Hello all!
10:06:42 From Susanna Kohonen : Hello everyone! How wonderful to "see" you all!
10:06:45 From Kendra Rivera : Greetings all!
10:06:46 From Trish Harris : Hi, everyone.
10:06:47 From Lisa Hammershaimb : Hi All!
10:06:51 From Heather Miceli : Hi everyone!
10:06:51 From Amy Archambault : So great to be here! Hello All!
10:06:51 From Molly Hatcher : 👋
10:06:54 From Steve Ferruci To All Panelists : I love improv!
10:06:55 From Michele Smith : Hello All
10:06:59 From Rosemarie McIlwhan : Hello everyone :-)
10:07:28 From Toni Anderson To All Panelists : Greetings everyone!
10:07:37 From Jim Stauffer : Good morning from my home office. I work in the Centre for Teaching and Learning at Aurora College.
I am descended from 18th century European refugee-settlers. I live on the self-governed lands of the Tłı̨chǫ People as an invited guest in the community of Whatı̀ in what Canada calls the Northwest Territories. That speaks more highly for the gracious forbearance of the Tłı̨chǫ people than for my behaviour as a guest.
10:07:41 From Mohammad Ahmed To All Panelists : Hello everyone!
10:07:44 From Kathleen chambers To All Panelists : Hello everyone!
10:07:45 From Erika Abad To All Panelists : Hello :)
10:07:46 From ASL Interpreter , Andriea Vigil To Julie Mason and All Panelists : HI! :) If there is any dialogue, Q and A.. would you like us to voice for you or will you post in the chat?
10:07:53 From Mohammad Ahmed To All Panelists : @Sean don't worry stuff like this happens all the time.
10:07:54 From Wes Bernstein To All Panelists : Que tal mi gente!
10:07:54 From Lisa Hammershaimb : Key part of critical digital pedagogy: improvisation : )
10:07:56 From Mohammad Ahmed To All Panelists : No big deal
10:07:58 From Mia Zamora To All Panelists : Grace under pressure. :)
10:08:00 From joan bihun To All Panelists : Jessie and Sean are always good substitute speakers :-)
10:08:01 From Susanna Kohonen : YES!
10:08:13 From Heather Ruddy : Oh Jesse! I love you Lego set - I too am a Lego Nerd! :)
10:08:32 From Jennifer Nardine To All Panelists : +1 Heather, and hi all!
10:08:38 From Chad Flinn To All Panelists : Any chance to hang out with you all is time well spent
10:08:52 From Jesse Stommel : So good to spend time with you all!
10:09:27 From Paulette Stevenson To All Panelists : Love the lego pride set! My kids have the same ones!!
10:10:45 From Sean Michael Morris (he/him) To Felecia Caton Garcia and All Panelists : Do you want to join us on screen?
10:11:22 From Liz Ahl : And I suppose DPS is also an institution :-)
10:11:25 From Liz Ahl : DPL
10:11:32 From Mark Wilson : Hello from Whittier, California.
I've never been institutionalized. ;-)
10:12:46 From Sabina Sariyska : Like a Theatre play, we have the restrictions of the set, the directors of the play and the provocateurs in the audience
10:13:17 From Susanna Kohonen : Indeed, Sabina!
10:13:24 From Ian August To All Panelists : Much more easily distracted not being at a physical conference, cell phone, email, social media,
10:13:29 From Heather Ruddy : Love that Sabina!
10:13:34 From Chad Flinn To All Panelists : It has to be much more intentional. I have to make sure I am in a room with my door closed. I see the value but I also miss the “hallway” conversations of being face to face.
10:13:52 From Erika Abad To All Panelists : As I am listening to this, I made sure to minimize tech connected to internet so that my access wouldn't be stifled by the internet strain caused by provider's internet traffic + other tech being connected
10:13:54 From Ian August To All Panelists : This past year working from home really gave me insight into online students, working from home and the level and ease of distraction
10:14:10 From Ceradwen Tokheim To All Panelists : <3
10:14:20 From Amanda Christopher To All Panelists : Been there, Jesse! Gotta love Zoom!
10:14:25 From Alena Buis To All Panelists : I have a 3 year old and 5 year old and I can very much relate! Thank you for sharing!
10:14:26 From Veronica Douglas To All Panelists : I really appreciate this slice of life. All of us working parents can relate :)
10:15:16 From Veronica Douglas : I appreciate this slice of life. All of us working parents can relate.
10:15:58 From Liz Ahl : Sometimes the deeply held/ingrained institution of myself (of individual separateness/agency) is at odds with other institutions — in H.E./my work but also elsewhere/otherwise.
10:16:06 From joan bihun To All Panelists : I am wondering about her statements that people are moving away from language such as "cognitive disability/cognitive impairment." It's used so often in the are of human cognition, or diagnoses of different conditions (Alzheimer's, Down Syndrome, etc). What language should be used?
10:16:08 From Susanna Kohonen : A great point, Jesse!
10:16:12 From Jess Mitchell : One of the ‘tensions’ that worries me is the notion of sameness we subscribe to (at scale) in some kind of flawed effort to achieve ‘fairness’ — we use the word ‘equity’ — how do we do it? Doesn’t it mean fundamentally different for each?
10:16:12 From Navita Singh : Agreed about the ire, Jesse!!!
10:16:17 From Alice Paige : I am deeply interested in the conversation about intelligence from the keynote and wonder how we can begin to deconstruct eurocolonial concepts of intelligence in a meaningful way—especially in the face of institutional requirements like grades.
10:16:35 From Elizabeth Rodriguez To All Panelists : Re: evidence, doesn’t it help lead the willing but skeptical down the garden path?
10:16:48 From Molly Hatcher : And what questioning what counts as “evidence”?
10:17:05 From Erika Abad To All Panelists : at a public institution, which measures dept value by retention, progression, and completion, 'grading' is weighted by way of
10:17:14 From Heather Ruddy : Agree Molly!
10:17:14 From Paul Eaton To All Panelists : With “intelligence” I am thinking a lot about how we think about what measuring that means, actually, and how we can do that differently. This is why I am trying to use many more nontraditional assignments that are creatively focused.
10:17:15 From Erika Abad To All Panelists : the extent to which students can perform
10:17:16 From Mia Zamora : Yes, the tension between institutional power and the actual projects hosting and questioning that power and decentering it. I have spent a lifetime navigating this tension, and I am not sure if my experience is an act of survival, or some kind of activist calling that helps me refine my practices. Probably both.
10:17:17 From Amanda Christopher To All Panelists : Great point, Molly. What is "evidence"?
10:17:20 From Jess Mitchell : @Alice and address the push-back which I imagine would be the argument that we slip into relativism which seems to really worry folks who don’t start from the same place as Imani
10:17:25 From Heather Ruddy : Jesse - and where is the student voice in this work?
10:17:38 From Sabina Sariyska : Isn't the GRE an eliminator essentially. it's not a tool of knowledge really.
10:17:48 From Jess Mitchell : +1
10:17:49 From Jim Stauffer : @Alice, Yes, and how much our perception of intelligence is biased by encountering non-standard Englissssh
10:17:58 From Victoria Walden To All Panelists : I've been contemplating how we might 'undo the University' and all its history and the exclusion that most of these institutions feature. Increasingly, I wonder whether those of us who fight for just education should just move BEYOND the university. As it becomes increasingly neoliberal and commercial, perhaps we're better creating alternative, grassroot spaces for teaching and learning.
10:18:02 From Erika Abad To All Panelists : and the way students/faculty interact based on the assumptions we have of each other (students mostly from worse district in the state, a district which struggles with funding)
10:18:31 From Paul Eaton To All Panelists : I have used assignments like: photo projects, podcasts, and this autumn I will be doing a speculative fiction writing assignment - so there is process involved for students where they really get to “think” differently
10:18:41 From Erika Abad To All Panelists : I remember when I took GRE courses via McNair, we discussed how the GRE removed questions based on how poorly the global majority would do on questions
10:18:47 From Fernndo Senior : Will be keynote presenter be available another day?If available another day, could we provide a big picture of the week and the key ideas to explore?
10:18:58 From Erika Abad To All Panelists : It's not a solution, though, to your point, it's attempting to address its insularity
10:19:11 From Jesse Stommel : If there is anyone else who wants to join the conversation on camera, feel free to raise your hand, and Sean should be able to add you. I would be particularly interested to see if there are any teachers who might want to reflect on any of these things.
10:19:19 From Heather Pleasants : This is not completely random but… chttps://read.dukeupress.edu/social-text/article/22/2%20(79)/101/32673/The-University-and-the-UndercommonsSEVEN-THESES
10:19:40 From Erika Abad To All Panelists : Thanks for the resource share @heather
10:19:52 From Liz Ahl : I wonder how the “itinerancy” (?) of DPL is itself a kind of … hm….space for possibility, the constant “moving around?” Something to think about.
10:19:53 From Alice Paige : Yeah!
10:19:54 From Paul Eaton To All Panelists : ^^ Yes Heather
10:20:38 From Jennifer Nardine : @Heather Would you please repost that link so the https is separate from the previous word? Thanks
10:20:46 From Chelsea Nesvig : And I think many people were/are intrigued by how the pandemic could allow us to rethink many assumptions of institutions in a more speculative way that hadn't been considered before it began.
10:20:51 From Heather Pleasants : Yes, absolutely.
10:21:20 From Heather Pleasants : The University and the Undercommons:
10:21:29 From Heather Pleasants : https://read.dukeupress.edu/social-text/article/22/2 (79)/101/32673/The-University-and-the-UndercommonsSEVEN-THESES
10:21:44 From Jennifer Nardine : Thanks much
10:21:50 From Jakob Gowell : Guerilla Warfare. Now there’s a metaphor.
10:21:53 From Heather Pleasants : 👍🏽
10:21:54 From zaynab baalbaki : New pedagogies….necessary
10:22:22 From Laura Soracco To All Panelists : If any of you are interested in meeting up every day to check-in around 1pm PDT, I’m volunteering an open space for us to meet up online :) https://gather.town/app/AddmCGlkL2CmcKX8/Collaborating
10:22:25 From Paulette Stevenson : Sometimes we can’t even fully disclose our pedagogies because the institutions actively work against them.
10:22:26 From zaynab baalbaki : Starting with the end in mind
10:22:41 From Jesse Stommel : Agreed, Sabina about the GRE being an eliminator. I think gatekeeping is one of the primary functions of institutions, sadly.
10:22:48 From Susanna Kohonen : An excellent method! Starting with the end in mind, that is!
10:22:53 From Jennifer Nardine : Nice to have it up front so we can keep in mind how we take things home more consciously along the way.
10:22:54 From Jess Mitchell : Happy to join the visible hair club…
10:22:59 From Chad Flinn To All Panelists : Backwards design. lol
10:23:14 From Kathleen chambers To All Panelists : Gatekeeping happens in the classroom, especially around grades
10:23:30 From Lisa Liskovoi To All Panelists : +1 on the GREs being a garbage gatekeeping tool
10:23:52 From Brianne Collins : Also, the knowledge you aren't alone in this work even if it feels like that at one's own institution!
10:24:12 From Amanda Christopher To All Panelists : And unlearning! That has been the most challenging for me.
10:24:13 From Kathleen chambers : Gatekeeping happens in the classroom, especially around grades
10:24:22 From Jakob Gowell : Bottom-up/grassroots for me evokes a sense of self-directedness. And maybe a Eugene Debs quotation: ““I would not be a Moses to lead you into the Promised Land, because if I could lead you into it, someone else could lead you out of it.”
10:24:22 From Erika Abad To All Panelists : I've been thinking about how the streaming/theater/actor debates going on --like ScarJo suing Disney, parallels with the inherent limitation of guerilla warfare. While it's easy to get frustrated at ppl forgetting the toll of quarantine...it's the long-term fear of the continued undervaluing and exploitation of people within an industry. While movies, like uni's have undervalued ppl behind the scenes, like undervaluing full-time faculty, student support services offices, when actors, like researchers/pedagogical innovators are being undervalued, what does that mean?
10:24:24 From Clarissa Sorensen-Unruh To All Panelists : Hi Jess!
10:24:38 From Kimberlee Carter : I think that is a very good point. Change moves slowly because institutions are large and you have to get many people's "buy in"
10:24:40 From Jacinta Yanders : All I’m seeing is great hair on this screen
10:24:50 From Paul Eaton To All Panelists : Oh see - I love the time it takes actually.
10:24:56 From Danielle Leek To All Panelists : Me too @JessMitchell. Me too.
10:24:58 From Clarissa Sorensen-Unruh To All Panelists : Agreed @Jacinta
10:25:04 From Paul Eaton To All Panelists : I’m in to slow thinking and unfolding.
10:25:06 From Clarissa Sorensen-Unruh To All Panelists : Hi y’all!
10:25:06 From Alice Paige : Thanks for your comments, Sean!
10:25:14 From Liz Ahl : It’s sometimes frustrating to see what changes DO happen all-of-a-sudden in institutions which are so sloooowwwwww at certain OTHER kinds of changes.
10:25:17 From Erika Abad To All Panelists : For me, I struggle with explaining to students why grassroots/bottoms-up varies for faculty from the global majority because our efforts are not institutionally valued all the time and often comes at the risk of economic security
10:25:19 From Cindy Domaika : If there is one thing I have learned in academia, is time moves slowly...
10:25:22 From Kathleen chambers : @Jakob: Love that quote and Eugene Debs
10:25:22 From Amy Archambault : I'm working through Dr. Amy Collier's 'small moves/big moves' idea that she proposed in her Educause article:
10:25:24 From Amy Archambault : https://er.educause.edu/articles/2020/10/inclusive-design-and-design-justice-strategies-to-shape-our-classes-and-communities
10:25:40 From Heather Pleasants : Thanks @Amy!
10:25:57 From Amy Archambault : Sure...I hear what Jess is saying 100%
10:26:03 From Sabina Sariyska : let's build new institutions! the way we want them to exist.
10:26:16 From Clarissa Sorensen-Unruh To All Panelists : Doing everything with equity first and foremost in our minds…I love that Jess
10:26:28 From Amy Archambault : yep!
10:26:34 From Veronica Douglas : absolutely
10:26:34 From Kimberlee Carter : I often get asked how can this be operationalized.
10:26:37 From Clarissa Sorensen-Unruh To All Panelists : I hate “fairness” too Jesse...
10:26:38 From Jennifer Nardine : coup d’ education!
10:26:43 From Jacinta Yanders : Rigor makes me grimace
10:26:45 From Brianne Collins : Fair for whom? Fair is not universal.
10:26:46 From Lisa Bergin To All Panelists : I find that it's also "this is what equity feels like", rather than what it "looks like"
10:26:48 From Jessica Zeller : It’s ironic that what is perceived as “fair” is actually deeply inequitable.
10:26:49 From Jakob Gowell : Social Engineering as (another) metaphor of determinism, control, and objectification.
10:26:55 From Joy Iris-Wilbanks : Equality / equity duality
10:26:56 From Ceradwen Tokheim : Agreed on that Jesse
10:26:59 From James Bushman To All Panelists : Fair isn’t equitable. Agreed!
10:27:00 From Elizabeth Rodriguez To All Panelists : I’m “pro-fair” when it comes to advocating for workers’ rights on campus
10:27:00 From Amy Archambault : Yes @Brianne!
10:27:01 From Stephanie Walker : Yes… and then under the guise of being fair and equitable comes the dreaded word “consistency”
10:27:05 From Trish Harris : Yes, Jesse. We must remember that institutional inertia is intentional.
10:27:14 From Sabina Sariyska : yes, like resilience in the healthcare field. It is used to make people feel guilty about not juggling all the pressure placed on them
10:27:35 From Alice Paige : Fairness often acts as a precursor to concepts like meritocracy which certainly isn’t fair.
10:27:38 From Jacinta Yanders : Resilience: https://twitter.com/alfiekohn/status/1422164076881457152
10:27:42 From Stephanie Walker : I feel like so many of my battles are against ideas of “equitable consistency”
10:27:46 From Brianne Collins : Agreed @ Alice!
10:28:07 From Mohammad Ahmed To All Panelists : I'm loving this accent. Can she be the MC for the rest of the DPL?
10:28:19 From Lisa Liskovoi To All Panelists : Would it be possible to save and share this chat? I’m not able to do that as a participant but there is so much great content here I would love to catch up on and revisit
10:28:29 From Clarissa Sorensen-Unruh To All Panelists : I think “fairness” and “rigor” have been weaponized in academia, particularly in terms of oppression and power...
10:28:44 From Sabina Sariyska : yes @jacinta
10:28:47 From Jesse Stommel : Love this Trish, “we must remember that institutional inertia is intentional.”
10:29:11 From Sabina Sariyska : yes!
10:29:15 From Jennifer Nardine : yes
10:29:20 From Joy Iris-Wilbanks : Perhaps any form of equity work at an institution should directly involve those whom we are trying to include more
10:29:22 From Jakob Gowell : I’m on board with these critiques of fairness. They seem to assume a baseline consistency/starting points of opportunity that never actually exists.
10:29:28 From Heather Pleasants : “Worry about the university. Call for its restoration like Harold Bloom or Stanley Fish…Call for its reform like Derek Bok…Call out to it as it calls to you. But for the subversive intellectual, all of this goes on upstairs, in polite company, among rational men. After all, the subversive intellectual came under false pretenses, with bad documents, out of love. Her labor is as necessary as it is unwelcome. The university needs what she bears but cannot bear what she brings. And on top of all that, she disappears. She disappears into the underground, the downlow lowdown maroon community of the university, into the Undercommons of Enlightenment, where the work gets subverted, where the revolution is still black, still strong. What is that work and what is its social capacity for both reproducign the university and producing fugitivity?
10:29:35 From Brianne Collins : Makes me think of Tuck and Yang and the notion of just burning it all down.
10:29:59 From Joy Iris-Wilbanks : The pandemic was an opportunity to burn it all down and be reborn
10:30:05 From Clarissa Sorensen-Unruh To All Panelists : Is there a place for emergence in institutions, though?
10:30:07 From Liz Ahl : Undercommons just continues to be so relevant to . . . all of this . . . .
10:30:11 From Sabina Sariyska : don't even burn it, leave it. it will wilt if it isn't fed.
10:30:19 From Jakob Gowell : @joy Iris-Wilbanks, basically the “Nothing for us without us,” from Disability Twitter.
10:30:22 From Erika Abad To All Panelists : In the context of burning it all down presumes the economic privilege to do so
10:30:32 From Clarissa Sorensen-Unruh To All Panelists : Particularly in terms of institutional inertia?
10:30:36 From Jess Mitchell To All Panelists : @joy — yes!
10:30:37 From Erika Abad To All Panelists : and the emotional stability and sense of support to make such an execution
10:30:37 From Brianne Collins : @Sabina - true, but it continues to be fed and is so self-sustaining at this point.
10:30:40 From Jennifer Nardine : Nice @Sabina
10:30:42 From Liz Ahl : Interested in two words Sean just used side by side — “realize” and “recognize.”
10:30:46 From Joy Iris-Wilbanks : @jakob yes
10:31:04 From Veronica Douglas : @Joy absolutely and it's been so disappointing to see much of the institution going "back to business as usual"
10:31:21 From Clarissa Sorensen-Unruh To All Panelists : Agreed @Veronica
10:31:54 From Amanda Christopher To All Panelists : I have been changing things so much in my classroom, and the students sometimes freak out. So for them, I have been having to go very slowly with the changes and the "burning".
10:31:56 From Jacinta Yanders : “Who cares about transcripts?” We should have that on a shirt
10:31:59 From Ian August To All Panelists : Omg, I saw a job posting that wants a transcript, ha, I am 41 years old not a recent college grad
10:32:00 From Jacinta Yanders : Or sticker
10:32:13 From Heather Miceli : @Jacinta I would totally buy it
10:32:15 From Clarissa Sorensen-Unruh To All Panelists : I’d buy it @Dr. J
10:32:16 From Susanna Kohonen : YES, please!! me too!
10:32:23 From Trish Harris : Same
10:32:24 From Joy Iris-Wilbanks : @Veronica yes and at the instructor level though and student I think we have been transformed by our pandemic experiences
10:32:56 From Sabina Sariyska : we can work on new pipelines. using that method and forward into the professional world.
10:33:00 From Kelsey Dufresne : that's amazing!
10:33:04 From Veronica Douglas : @Joy we absolutely have!
10:33:41 From Chad Flinn To All Panelists : Change policy at the level at which you are
10:34:00 From Susanna Kohonen : The community point of view matters a great deal, Sean!
10:34:23 From Erika Abad To All Panelists : Part of the reason we don't know stems from either a) battle fatigue, which is what I encountered when I reached out to some colleagues who teach the same content (if they've stayed) b) which community perspective the university/faculty prioritize
10:34:30 From Laura Soracco To All Panelists : I so feel this part about it being hard to make connections with others! I wish PD included more social time for people to simply chat and share their interests and their views on learning :)
10:34:30 From Clarissa Sorensen-Unruh To All Panelists : In terms of bringing teams of folks to DPL - the institutional buy-in has to be there…’cause we have a huge group from CNM here and yet the institution is still mandating QM for Gen Ed courses…it feels very frustrating
10:35:06 From Laura Soracco To All Panelists : Connecting with others is usually one of my favorite (and most useful) parts of going to conferencs
10:35:07 From Chelsea Nesvig : Love the concept of "progressive pedagogies"
10:35:11 From Brianne Collins : Making connections with like minded folks within institutions seems subversive in and of itself because the institution doesn't support this and sometimes actively discourages it.
10:35:30 From Susanna Kohonen : I know the feeling, Brianne...
10:35:57 From Ian August To All Panelists : Curious if anyone has found, developed, created a community on their campus around these ideas
10:36:01 From Martha Burtis To All Panelists : I think one of things I’ve been thinking about lately that worries/frustrates me is how mercurial the nature of our institutions can feel. The kind of change I imagine requires real investment, not just $$ but of people, time, labor — and shifts in mindset across the institution. But when administration turns over, or state systems intervene, or people move into new positions, suddenly it feels like the inroads you’ve made can disappear over night.
10:36:01 From Clarissa Sorensen-Unruh : WHOOPS! I’ve just been texting and agreeing with y’all by only chatting with the panelists. Sorry y’all! Everything you’ve said is awesome so far…
10:36:15 From Martha Burtis To All Panelists : @Rissa I do that EVERY time.
10:36:40 From Jennifer Nardine : No worries Clarissa - it’s how I started out too. :)
10:36:49 From Clarissa Sorensen-Unruh : Thanks @Jennifer!
10:37:23 From Kimberlee Carter To All Panelists : We create many communities of practice at my institution around ideas. The hard part is the institution is large so we need to invite people and get the word out as to where those communities exist.
10:37:23 From Alice Paige : I’m also interested in the politics of folks learning they can enact change vs. marginalized folks who are forced to create change to be able to carve spaces for ourselves. Where is the responsibility falling and how is it unequal? I think Blair Imani’s Keynote was getting at this concept: how we see eurocolonial violence cooked into the institution.
10:37:25 From Susanna Kohonen : YES- this is what we need, Jesse! A structure that would support this.
10:37:30 From Brittni Ballard : regarding how to operationalize equity and social justice work, esp at the individual level: Baharak Yousefi offers four techniques for wreaking havoc in the academic library’s infrastructure space, built upon Keller Easterling's "expanded activist repertoire" for less open resistance, which seem applicable across academia: gossip (storytelling),
doubling, hacking, and exaggerated compliance. you can read more "On the Disparity Between What We Say and What We Do in Libraries" at: http://summit.sfu.ca/system/files/iritems1/17387/Yousefi.pdf
10:37:40 From joan bihun : DPL ideas should be represented at faculty orientations!
10:38:04 From Joy Iris-Wilbanks : I wonder if this is true outside the US? And how institutions operate in other countries
10:38:18 From Charles Wotton : I grew up going to alternative schools where the teachers were dedicated to progressive pedagogy, but the students were self- (or, rather, parent-) selected and usually quite privileged
10:38:26 From Amanda Christopher To All Panelists : I am so lucky to be part of a PLC at my institution where we get together and share ideas and learn together to be better for our students.
10:38:33 From Erika Abad To All Panelists : That's a good idea @joan, but which institutions actually value pedagogical professional development and reward it
10:39:26 From Laura Summers : @Jesse I love this idea of having a space for faculty, staff, and students for dialogue. Community at an institution often seems to be challenged because of the sense of competition that plagues the system.
10:39:27 From Liz Ahl : So important, Martha!
10:39:42 From Joy Iris-Wilbanks : Good point Charles - the ability to be progressive does come with privilege in terms of time and resources and support
10:39:53 From Erika Abad To All Panelists : @Charles, as a productive of private schools now teaching at a public institution, I absolutely agree. And its that selection that provides faculty a conditional freedom and reinforces prestige networks, esp working with students whose lived experiences outside of classroom are aligned with mine and my family...I consistently grow frustrated with how we got here
10:39:58 From Kimberlee Carter To All Panelists : That is a very good point that Martha makes. Staffing and management change, or changing priorities can derail an initiative. I think the team approach is an important point.
10:40:05 From Alice Paige : @Brittni I don’t think the link you posted is working.
10:40:08 From Brianne Collins : So true @Jesse!
10:40:19 From Susanna Kohonen : Oh yes, @Joan! Except I don't know how to get all the faculty people to listen to me (here in Finland, that is, and language is a key element - the DPL works need to be translated for them not to be just something "they do in English in the USA... those 'Americans' "... cultural differences are sometimes hard to overcome.
10:40:24 From Veronica Douglas : @Charles absolutely. I'm a child of public school teachers who went to public schools but am sending my autistic child to a private school specifically built on progressive, holistic pedagogy and it is NOT CHEAP. How many learners are we leaving behind because of cost/structure/institutions?
10:40:30 From Karen Riley : I'm with you Rissa!!!
10:40:31 From Erika Abad To All Panelists : I remember @Jesse and I talked about this on twitter a couple years back and I said, how do I get there when I have 100 students a term (my first time of teaching, I had about 150)
10:40:35 From Clarissa Sorensen-Unruh : Thanks for saying that out loud, Jesse.
10:40:40 From Clarissa Sorensen-Unruh : Hi Karen!
10:40:51 From Liz Ahl : YES Martha!
10:40:54 From Ian August To All Panelists : A lot Veronica!
10:40:59 From Clarissa Sorensen-Unruh : AMEN Martha!
10:40:59 From Victoria Walden To All Panelists : I don't know if this is similar in other countries, but in the UK we also have the pressures on the University from the Government, which individual institutions struggle to resist.
10:41:10 From Liz Ahl : What does the support mean if it’s disconnected from understanding?
10:41:16 From Stephanie Walker To All Panelists : Yes yes to all of this @Martha
10:41:26 From Alice Paige : @Liz, seconding that.
10:41:26 From Liz Ahl : That help can turn into something else....
10:41:27 From Clarissa Sorensen-Unruh : Communication without deep understanding I think is our problem with ungrading right now
10:41:36 From Jakob Gowell : The lack of understanding and alignment of values you’re speaking to @marthaburtis seems like it’s a kind of precarity.
10:41:58 From Sabina Sariyska : exactly
10:42:12 From Liz Ahl : And/or “rewarded” with MORE LABOR
10:42:15 From Clarissa Sorensen-Unruh : YES Jesse. THIS!!!
10:42:19 From Brianne Collins : I feel like the people above me not understanding DPL actually enabled me to be here. If they knew we dare question QM or Bloom's taxonomy etc, I'm not sure I would have been able to attend... :)
10:42:19 From Katie Volkmar To All Panelists : Yes
10:42:30 From zaynab baalbaki : yes. I can personally attest to that comment regarding labor
10:42:35 From Victoria Walden To All Panelists : Myself and a colleague were just discussing this: it is often early career scholars/teachers, those with disabilities, people of colour who take on this labour.
10:42:51 From Alice Paige : 100% agreed about the weight of labor on marginalized bodies. It often leads to burnout.
10:42:54 From Clarissa Sorensen-Unruh : Absolutely Brianne!
10:42:55 From Ian August To All Panelists : Your secret is safe with us @Brianne, ha
10:42:56 From Danielle Leek To All Panelists : @Brianne Collins... shhhh. If you don't tell, I won't.
10:43:05 From Katie Volkmar To All Panelists : And that I think that’s because their labor makes non-marginalized people uncomfortable.
10:43:10 From Jesse Stommel : Liz, yes, rewarded with more labor :(
10:43:27 From Sabina Sariyska : that support feels very "placebo"ish in certain/most institutions.
10:43:28 From Liz Ahl : Oh this is some TRUTH being spoken...
10:43:28 From Jennifer Dellner To All Panelists : This is exactly right
10:43:39 From Martha Burtis To All Panelists : I’ve been thinking we that this fall in the CoLab at PSU we should run a workshop on “Saying No”
10:43:39 From Heather Pleasants To All Panelists : I’m so curious about what folks think about Imani’s question: How does an institution include those who it has systematically failed, excluded, alienated—and defined for centuries as nonhuman and unintelligent?
10:43:50 From Sabina Sariyska : keeps us quiet and suppliant
10:44:07 From Victoria Walden To All Panelists : @Brianne, any of our faculty had never heard of 'blended learning' until last spring. 'Blooms' is not known by most. In some ways that's good … because we don't have to do critical work on pedagogy models, we can start afresh, but it is a sign of how little attention has been given to teaching for so long.
10:44:12 From Jennifer Dellner To All Panelists : Truth!
10:44:13 From Liz Ahl : What is the problematic foundation/structure upon which the “new” is being “built” — whew!
10:44:13 From Heather Pleasants To All Panelists : How do we do this work? How do we act with….fugitive hospitality?
10:44:15 From Susanna Kohonen : I have been working now as a Dig Ped Facilitator for about six months at my University with four other Facilitators. The problem is: My fellow colleagues do not feel they have time or resources to even make most of us, Facilitators! So even if support exists, the staff MUST have time and resources to make most of the support!
10:44:19 From Chad Flinn To All Panelists : Yes to the reactive responses. There is no time to reflect on how it fits or if it runs counter to other policies
10:44:23 From Katie Volkmar To All Panelists : So marginalized folks are expected to do emotional labor in order to make non-marginalized folks feel more comfortable
10:44:24 From Jacinta Yanders : Standardization is a plague
10:44:27 From Heather Miceli : Students can't have the same experience just because their life experiences are so different
10:44:34 From Julie Fellmayer : As Tuck & Yang wrote, decolonisation is not a metaphor. But we all have vested interests in these institutions as well - a vested interest imposed upon us because of our need to participate in capitalism and an interest that is impaired by the limits of our social structures and our imaginations. There is an imperative to dismantle the institutions while we work within them… How else are we held back by vested interest in these structures and institutions?
10:44:36 From Navita Singh : In reading Blair Imani's keynote, there were so many gems. One that stood out to me is how many "acclaimed racists" still very much inform curricula. I am interested in how we decolonize our curricula.
I remember having to cram for exams based on the work of several people that Imani identified. Knowing what I know now, I am concerned by how as students we were forced to blindly consume the works of these people without questioning the source and their dangerous biases.
I wonder about the voices that have not been included - that have not informed our curricula. What counts as a valid/credible source of knowledge?
10:44:40 From Charles Wotton : Oh yes! Let's add consistency to the list of problematic words
10:44:48 From Clarissa Sorensen-Unruh : Absolutely Stephanie - When are students EVER going to have the exact same experience? everything is so context dependent
10:44:50 From Jesse Stommel : Yes, re: consistency
10:45:07 From Jakob Gowell : “A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of small minds.”
10:45:13 From Katie Volkmar To All Panelists : Navita yes
10:45:56 From Victoria Walden To All Panelists : We also face the issue that our 'ODL' is designed by a commercial, external company. So, whilst faculty get to decide the content, they have little choice over pedagogy. Everything is very standardised (and the commercial entity is of course harvesting all the data).
10:46:13 From Joy Iris-Wilbanks : Random question … anyone experiencing backlash or discourse in their institutions about Critical Race Theory?
10:46:15 From Lisa Liskovoi : consistency seems to support the appearance of fairness rather than any kind of real meaningful fairness, which is not only unhelpful, it also gives people false comfort
10:46:38 From Andrew Dellantonio : ^yes Lisa great point thanks
10:46:39 From Veronica Douglas : would love to talk more with interested folks about the idea of "intelligence as a social construct; a political category that has been disguised as a biological one" from Imani's keynote and the way we consider "intellectual disability"
10:46:42 From Jessica Zeller : Oof yes re: hair falling out… the inequities that come from these racist systems and bureaucracies affect us in a holistic way. We feel it, physically, emotionally, etc.
10:46:42 From Jess Mitchell : Thank you @Jesse — so true. We do REAL harm with these policies. Who/where does it stop??
10:46:46 From Charles Wotton : Yes, Lisa, exactly
10:46:49 From Erika Abad To All Panelists : NOt yet @Joy...and I'm teaching CRF as a woman of color...my chair and colleagues are on alert if you well, esp bc I'm going up for promotion
10:46:59 From Julie Fellmayer : YEs Sean
10:46:59 From Chad Flinn To All Panelists : @Sean agree!
10:47:00 From Andrew Dellantonio : @Veronica I’d love to talk more about it
10:47:02 From Jess Mitchell : @Veronica — me too!!
10:47:05 From Sabina Sariyska : consistency taken to an extreme is an eliminator of inclusion
10:47:08 From Martha Burtis To All Panelists : “Another school is not going to solve the problem” So, so true.
10:47:11 From Navita Singh : @Veronica! love to chat about that :)
10:47:13 From Clarissa Sorensen-Unruh : Agreed Sean!
10:47:24 From Rebecca Aronson : Yes, @Lisa, this gets to my worry about QM. Well, one of my worries.
10:47:30 From joan bihun : @Veronica--me too
10:47:39 From Jesse Stommel : With lots of input, of course, Sean, but indeed the structure is influenced so incredibly by your vision, by your privilege, your marginalization, etc.
10:47:40 From Liz Ahl : Sean, I really appreciate everything you just said.
10:47:53 From Susanna Kohonen : This is excellent discussion here! Thank you already, everyone!
10:47:56 From Natalia Kapacinskas : Yes @Veronica I was hoping to hear more about this!
10:48:19 From Navita Singh : YES Sean!
10:48:26 From Liz Ahl : ooooh — dispersion! adventures!
10:48:27 From Sabina Sariyska : great point Sean! I love that
10:48:28 From Susanna Kohonen : Thanks Sean for putting that into words!
10:48:28 From Lisa Liskovoi : yes yes yes!!
10:48:29 From Clarissa Sorensen-Unruh : “belonging” not “fitting in”
10:48:29 From Alice Paige : Our ego tells us that a new school could fix this, but we always have to temper that against historical contexts, realities, and the work of other activists who were here first. Which is made more difficult through the intentional erasure of marginalized histories and stories.
10:48:29 From Lisa Bergin To All Panelists : Joining together with
10:48:42 From Minea Armijo To All Panelists : I agree Sean. The healthy disruptions need to be within the institutions, within the dialogues that take place in the classroom and even within the one-to-one conversations we have with every single student and faculty members.
10:48:48 From Chad Flinn To All Panelists : Practically though, how would dispersion look?
10:48:48 From Jesse Stommel : Suddenly also thinking about our technological platforms. When we bring people to a Zoom camera, certain knowledge, ways of knowing, are privileged. Certain kinds of dialogue.
10:48:49 From Martha Burtis To All Panelists : Dispersive Pedagogy?
10:48:55 From Laura Soracco To All Panelists : Also, who wants to be included in spaces that are inherently racist, ableist, homophobic…? Let’s build new ones!
10:49:11 From Stephanie Walker : Yes, you can’t really learn new things when you are only learning at your own table….even if you are being intentional about the voices that you are bringing to your table.
10:49:22 From Ian August To All Panelists : Makes sense, instead of inclusion, should be more like, let’s create a new community together, with all our values
10:49:32 From Erika Abad To All Panelists : @Jesse, exactly
10:49:41 From Deena Salem : @Brittni the link is not loading do you have another one!
10:49:46 From Chad Flinn To All Panelists : YES
10:49:56 From Mark Wilson : Networks of learners can connect their personal agency to support everyone's learning without having to create an institution. I'm creating a learning node and invite other learners.
10:50:04 From Jennifer Dellner To All Panelists : @Stephanie - very well said and so true (“if you are only learning at your own table”)
10:50:16 From Liz Ahl : Anybody else thinking of Sara Ahmed’s work right now, with all this “table” talk? :-)
10:50:18 From Deborah Breen To All Panelists : Jesse, could you give some examples of policies or language in syllabi that create this kind of abuse (or alternatively some examples of policies or language that are more capacious/creative)? Thanks!
10:50:54 From Jakob Gowell : The piece @Jesse Stommel mentioned about approaching teaching by first shielding students from some of the kinds of bureaucratic control/abuse.
10:50:58 From Djenana Jalovcic To All Panelists : Right on Jesse! Technology shapes power relations and decisions about technology at universities are made by those who do not teach.
10:50:58 From Martha Burtis To All Panelists : If anyone else wants to join, send me a DM, and I can make co-host
10:51:04 From Sabina Sariyska : having power is not bad, it's about sharing it. Did you see the sharing of the gold medal in the Olympics?
10:51:07 From Jakob Gowell : Oops. Wasn’t done yet.
10:51:09 From Carolina Hernandez To All Panelists : @Liz totally! Although I find so much of Ahmed's work relevant in my everyday.
10:51:19 From Erika Abad To All Panelists : I liked how Okazawa-Rey talked about tables at a 40th anniversary event of This Bridge Called my Back
10:51:26 From Jakob Gowell : This link: https://www.researchgate.net/publication/229454038_Teaching_in_Ways_That_Support_Students'_Autonomy
10:51:29 From Alice Paige : So so so many hoops to jump through.
10:51:47 From Ceradwen Tokheim : Sooo everything we do is built by humans who make choices. Choices have principles and values behind them. Good reminder that things humans make are never nuetral
10:52:14 From Jakob Gowell : Has a lot to say about teachers’ ability to act in non-controlling was as impacted by the kinds of controlling structures they experience “from above."
10:52:17 From Heather Ruddy : So agree Jesse! And most institutions do the very minimum to fulfill ADA.
10:52:19 From Sabina Sariyska : exactly Ceradwen!
10:52:23 From Michele Smith : That is so true, Jesse. I agree 100%. I have been saying this for years.
10:52:29 From Julie Fellmayer : Agree!
10:52:33 From Veronica Douglas : 100% Jesse
10:52:37 From Sabina Sariyska : yes Jesse! the hoops are made by the burocrats
10:52:44 From Lisa Liskovoi : and it is SUCH a ridiculously labour intensive process to ask for accommodations!
10:52:46 From Natalia Kapacinskas : Yessss!!
10:52:46 From Heather Pleasants : @Jesse, shout out to Felecia Caton Garcia and her inclusion of “Time Bandit”: https://www.thisamericanlife.org/713/made-to-be-broken/act-one-11
10:53:07 From Erika Abad To All Panelists : @Jesse and @Heather, while I agree, the way IDEA is designed would make providing accomodations without attention to policy harms the instructor
10:53:08 From Victoria Walden To All Panelists : Absolutely agree on students having to state their need for an accommodation! There is so much labour involved in just having a disability or health condition, having to navigate university administrative systems to get these accommodations on top of them is horrible.
10:53:10 From Liz Ahl : Interesting to connect “accommodation” to “inclusion” with respect to what Sean was saying about the rhetoric of inclusion...
10:53:58 From Liz Ahl : META
10:54:15 From Victoria Walden To All Panelists : our processes are called 'reasonable adjustments' … as if any other adjustment might be unreasonable if not agreed through the external system.
10:54:18 From Brittni Ballard : i am the first librarian (though not necessarily library worker) at my academic library to have received an ada accommodation. my supervisor has had to learn the process as i did. most instructors similarly don't have any knowledge of the learner accommodations seeking process (unless they've request accommodations themselves). this no doubt influences how little consideration most give to the "default" disability statement on syllabi
10:54:21 From Veronica Douglas : Thank you @Jess!
10:54:31 From Ceradwen Tokheim : ^Veronica
10:55:00 From Erika Abad To All Panelists : I have heard and not yet read that ableism affects job security for faculty in higher ed
10:55:21 From Liz Ahl : chewable!
10:55:28 From Erika Abad To All Panelists : I want to read more, esp in light of how short- and long-term disability has emerged in conversation among colleagues
10:55:36 From Charles Logan : Returning to constructing a supportive syllabus, I really like Matthew Cheney’s “Cruelty-free Syllabus”: https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/17UoxvDpup6BcmSZO2rYNJW1dGrgHho2FaPt9fe1u2K4/edit#slide=id.p
10:55:41 From Erika Abad To All Panelists : I'm responding to @Brittni
10:55:49 From Veronica Douglas : If you look at public school systems they literally create intelligence constructs with time limits and boundaries and they might not apply AT ALL to some learners.
10:55:53 From Alice Paige : I agree that it is the most chewable as well as challenging. The concept of intelligence has been made of utmost importance in much of college life.
10:55:54 From Clarissa Sorensen-Unruh : I need to explore the space of intelligence as a social contract a LOT more…
10:56:28 From Amy Archambault : @Veronica - those were some of my first thoughts - how public school does this
10:56:33 From Jesse Stommel : From the keynote text: “Like race, intelligence is a political category that has been disguised as a biological one.”
10:56:46 From Chad Flinn To All Panelists : As a trades instructor this conversation re: intelligence strikes a very strong chord
10:56:52 From Andrew Dellantonio : Yes @Jesse that!
10:56:55 From Sabina Sariyska : Clarissa, I think if we look back in history we cann see the changes in this contract which proves it to be a contract that is in flux
10:56:55 From Veronica Douglas : @Alice yes! And so many of us, being in higher education, place such a high value on intelligence and ideas (myself included). I've really had to question my own notion of intelligence.
10:57:29 From Liz Ahl : “make” students the subject… in teresting
10:57:52 From Victoria Walden To All Panelists : I certainly agree with the idea that there are multiple different types of knowledges. What came to mind from the keynote is that there are parts of the MENZA IQ test which are parallel to dyslexia diagnostic tests (here at least) - if you pass it in one context, you're considered a 'genius', if you don't pass that in another context, you're considered to have specific learning need. At least when I was at high school, IQ tests were used to stream students into high, mid and low sets, so the dependence on that idea of intelligence is certainly really concerning.
10:58:02 From Joy Iris-Wilbanks : This talk of intelligence reminds of the dismantling of “gifted education”
10:58:07 From Ceradwen Tokheim : You would not believe how much push back I get from faculty and students when I push to get students just leading discussion
10:58:12 From Alice Paige : @Veronica, yeah, one great example of that is how much we prioritize creating “critical thinkers” without examining what we deem as acceptable critical thinking.
10:58:13 From Brianne Collins : The historical move from intelligence being adaptable to IQ as innate is one of the most insidious aspects of intelligence. It makes learning and schooling futile if you really look at it. So what are we doing then if we take IQ as an essentialist concept?
10:58:14 From Ceradwen Tokheim : Or maybe you would
10:58:16 From Jakob Gowell : A “You are scholars” line has an interesting resonance for me given its prominence as a label in charter schools, often ones presenting themselves as equity-focused. I wonder what happens when students experience a label like that as non-authentic.
10:58:28 From Liz Ahl : Oh Jakob!
10:58:30 From Sabina Sariyska : i guess teaching is a rather colonial construct
10:58:42 From Jennifer Dellner To All Panelists : @Jakob: I have an anecdote…
10:58:44 From Veronica Douglas : OMG SEAT TIME
10:58:58 From Brittni Ballard : @Deena, I'm also unable to connect to SFU's institutional repository, Summit, where Baharak Yousefi's article is openly available. You may try a search at a later date / time (or via your public or institutional library) for the article title, "On the Disparity Between What we Say and What We Do in Libraries."
10:59:03 From Heather Miceli : The best thing about social distancing was that I could reduce seat time :-)
10:59:05 From Shavonne Coleman : Sabrina. That part. Yes!
10:59:08 From Clarissa Sorensen-Unruh : I address my students as fellow scholars and know IQ tests were a racist construct. I think of intelligence as a growth oriented construct. But as social construct? When I’ve spent my life trying to give students skills to build their own intelligence in certain subjects…
10:59:23 From Lisa Liskovoi : Please share the chat after the session if you can :)
10:59:25 From Kimberlee Carter To All Panelists : Those constructs are hard to change in students as well. You have to build the trust with your students and some will still be resistant to changes to what they have become to expect as students
10:59:32 From Mel Green To All Panelists : Exams without access to notes is another construct I'll never understand
10:59:33 From zaynab baalbaki : I think the dialogues are great, but also think about the solutions
10:59:34 From Deena Salem : I think the chat is very valuable is there a way to save it and share it.
10:59:36 From Lisa Nienkark To All Panelists : seat time is to generate revenue and not for student learning
10:59:54 From Jakob Gowell : @Liz Ahl Yes?
10:59:57 From zaynab baalbaki : You can save the chat with the three periods in the upper right of the chat box
11:00:00 From Heather Pleasants : @Zaynab ❤️
11:00:01 From Susanna Kohonen : Oh no, I don't seem to be able to save the chat either... why oh why...
11:00:06 From Michele Smith : Headed to meeting with my DPL group. Thanks for a great discussion
11:00:12 From Liz Ahl : Sorry — I just loved what you said about the possibly inauthentic use of “scholars” in that context
11:00:12 From Ceradwen Tokheim : The option is turned off
11:00:16 From Deena Salem : It is not allowing us to save it.
11:00:18 From Kelsey Dufresne : Thank you all!
11:00:19 From Laura Soracco : If anyone wants to check-in daily and share thoughts, questions, or just connect, I’ll have a space open from 1pm-2pm Pacific Daylight Time https://gather.town/app/AddmCGlkL2CmcKX8/Collaborating
11:00:20 From Sabina Sariyska : we can be like the seeds of a cottonwood, planting that change in our environments. <3
11:00:24 From Kimberlee Carter To All Panelists : Thank you
11:00:28 From Alice Paige : Thank you all for the great discussions!
11:00:29 From Amy Archambault : Thank you!
11:00:33 From caroline sinkinson To All Panelists : I don’t want this conversation to end. Thank you!
11:00:35 From Chad Flinn To All Panelists : This was amazing. Thanks so much
11:00:35 From joan bihun : Hope Blair is ok!
11:00:36 From Minea Armijo To All Panelists : Unrelated/related question: I have no information about the strand I am in. Where can I find this info?
11:00:37 From Brittni Ballard : thanks all for sharing your experiences and expertise! this was a lovely first discussion for DPL; happy conferencing <3
11:00:37 From Mark Wilson : Cntrl A - Cntrl C
11:00:37 From Judit Hahn : "Inclusion is not enough." Check out John A. Powell's keynote. https://belonging.berkeley.edu/video-building-belonging-time-othering-john-powell
11:00:38 From Veronica Douglas : Thank you!
11:00:38 From Laura Soracco : Thank you!!
11:00:39 From Rebecca Aronson : Thank you! Great discussion
11:00:39 From Jesse Stommel : Thank you all!!
11:00:41 From Charles Logan : Thanks, y’all!
11:00:41 From Jakob Gowell : 👏
11:00:42 From Danielle Leek To All Panelists : Thank you so much!
11:00:46 From Katie Volkmar To All Panelists : Thank you
11:00:48 From Clarissa Sorensen-Unruh : Wishing Blair well….
11:00:49 From James Bushman : Thank you!
11:00:53 From Lisa Liskovoi : thank you!
11:00:55 From Chad Flinn To All Panelists : Perfect!
11:00:56 From Amy Archambault : That would be great!
11:00:57 From Carolina Hernandez To All Panelists : Thank you all for pivoting so well!
11:00:58 From Heather Ruddy : Thank you!
11:00:58 From zaynab baalbaki : Thanks everyone